From jmamodio at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 04:29:06 2010
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:29:06 -0600
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
Message-ID: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>

looks like a ghost town ...

From rMslade at shaw.ca  Sat Jan 16 04:57:15 2010
From: rMslade at shaw.ca (Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:57:15 -0800
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
Message-ID: <4B50D6AB.25506.21F2077@localhost>

Date sent:      	Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:29:06 -0600
From:           	Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>

> looks like a ghost town ...

That's what happens when you let in real people.  Drives the zombies underground
...


======================  (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
rslade at vcn.bc.ca     slade at victoria.tc.ca     rslade at computercrime.org
Even if you do eventually confront an intruder, he will almost
invariably prove to be an unlikable 12-year-old twerp with no
life, a modem, and at least one parent who is a lawyer.
             - Elizabeth Kaufman/Andrew Newman, `Implementing IPsec'
victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html
http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/
http://twitter.com/NoticeBored http://twitter.com/rslade

From aaron at darkpixel.com  Sat Jan 16 05:10:57 2010
From: aaron at darkpixel.com (Aaron C. de Bruyn)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:10:57 -0800
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
In-Reply-To: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100116051057.GA12855@chrysalis>

On 2010-01-15 at 22:29:06 -0600, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> looks like a ghost town ...

Yeah, didn't you get the memo?  We finished securing all the
critical infrastructure everywhere forever last Thursday
afternoon.  We all went out for pizza and beer afterwards... ;)

-A

From max.reid at saikonetworks.com  Sat Jan 16 05:20:01 2010
From: max.reid at saikonetworks.com (Maxwell Reid)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:20:01 -0800
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
In-Reply-To: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7B519BE-3E8C-4FFC-9FEE-25130DFF02D6@saikonetworks.com>




The miscreants have been "quiet" as of late. :-)

~Max



On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:

> looks like a ghost town ...
> _______________________________________________
> CII mailing list
> CII at isotf.org
> http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii


From angela.cataldo at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 11:02:10 2010
From: angela.cataldo at gmail.com (Angela Cataldo)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:02:10 +0100
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
In-Reply-To: <F7B519BE-3E8C-4FFC-9FEE-25130DFF02D6@saikonetworks.com>
References: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<F7B519BE-3E8C-4FFC-9FEE-25130DFF02D6@saikonetworks.com>
Message-ID: <4d9107cf1001160302w7953fe6at188d0f09bddda321@mail.gmail.com>

If you'll have a pizza in Rome, please invite me too.
Cheers
AC

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Maxwell Reid <max.reid at saikonetworks.com>wrote:

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>
>
> The miscreants have been "quiet" as of late. :-)
>
> ~Max
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
> > looks like a ghost town ...
> > _______________________________________________
> > CII mailing list
> > CII at isotf.org
> > http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii
>
> _______________________________________________
> CII mailing list
> CII at isotf.org
> http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii
>



-- 
Ing. Angela Cataldo
System Engineering, Integration, Administration, Design and Planning
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From fergdawgster at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 04:47:56 2010
From: fergdawgster at gmail.com (Paul Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:47:56 -0800
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
In-Reply-To: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:

> looks like a ghost town ...

Still here -- waiting for something to discuss. :-)

- - ferg

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-- 
"Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
 fergdawgster(at)gmail.com
 ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

From jmamodio at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 12:14:33 2010
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:14:33 -0600
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
In-Reply-To: <20100116051057.GA12855@chrysalis>
References: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100116051057.GA12855@chrysalis>
Message-ID: <202705b1001160414y406cddadwdd7569b3826f5f47@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron at darkpixel.com> wrote:
> On 2010-01-15 at 22:29:06 -0600, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>> looks like a ghost town ...
>
> Yeah, didn't you get the memo? ?We finished securing all the
> critical infrastructure everywhere forever last Thursday
> afternoon. ?We all went out for pizza and beer afterwards... ;)

You right, Google took over ... :-)

-J

From webdawg.security at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 19:37:36 2010
From: webdawg.security at gmail.com (Security Account (WebDawg))
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:37:36 -0500
Subject: [CII] Is the list dead ?
In-Reply-To: <4d9107cf1001160302w7953fe6at188d0f09bddda321@mail.gmail.com>
References: <202705b1001152029k7cf88b7cud37636c4c23f4abc@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7B519BE-3E8C-4FFC-9FEE-25130DFF02D6@saikonetworks.com>
	<4d9107cf1001160302w7953fe6at188d0f09bddda321@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b2981a121001161137l1838793x4441ea40f2ca047f@mail.gmail.com>

'they' know

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Angela Cataldo
<angela.cataldo at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you'll have a pizza in Rome, please invite me too.
> Cheers
> AC
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Maxwell Reid <max.reid at saikonetworks.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The miscreants have been "quiet" as of late. :-)
>>
>> ~Max
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>
>> > looks like a ghost town ...
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > CII mailing list
>> > CII at isotf.org
>> > http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CII mailing list
>> CII at isotf.org
>> http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii
>
>
>
> --
> Ing. Angela Cataldo
> System Engineering, Integration, Administration, Design and Planning
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CII mailing list
> CII at isotf.org
> http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii
>
>

From hespinoza at interior.gov.cl  Sun Jan 17 11:05:37 2010
From: hespinoza at interior.gov.cl (Hernan Espinoza)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:05:37 -0300
Subject: [CII] Who pays for the protection of critical infrastructure
Message-ID: <4B52EF01.2020605@interior.gov.cl>

Hi:

According to your experience:

Who pays for the protection of critical infrastructure: the state or the
industry?

There is a government incentive to support this task?

Atte
Hernan Espinoza Medina
CHILE

From webdawg.security at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 12:28:00 2010
From: webdawg.security at gmail.com (Security Account (WebDawg))
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:28:00 -0500
Subject: [CII] Who pays for the protection of critical infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <4B52EF01.2020605@interior.gov.cl>
References: <4B52EF01.2020605@interior.gov.cl>
Message-ID: <b2981a121001170428xa8d06d1h88600287845c9587@mail.gmail.com>

Incentive:  Hospitals, military, corps, they all run VPN's.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Hernan Espinoza
<hespinoza at interior.gov.cl> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> According to your experience:
>
> Who pays for the protection of critical infrastructure: the state or the
> industry?
>
> There is a government incentive to support this task?
>
> Atte
> Hernan Espinoza Medina
> CHILE
> _______________________________________________
> CII mailing list
> CII at isotf.org
> http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii
>

From dan at doxpara.com  Sun Jan 17 14:00:21 2010
From: dan at doxpara.com (Dan Kaminsky)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:00:21 -0500
Subject: [CII] Who pays for the protection of critical infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <4B52EF01.2020605@interior.gov.cl>
References: <4B52EF01.2020605@interior.gov.cl>
Message-ID: <3849DB51-1951-433C-B407-558279DF63A7@doxpara.com>

All investment depends on consequences of not investing.  Security is  
not a special case here.

Companies that are under constant serious attack tend to evolve  
defenses. Regulated industries, such as the kind we usually refer to  
as Critical Infrastructure, can experience a special form of 'attack'  
-- the fine for noncompliance.

Ultimately, 'who cares' is a bigger predictor of security work  
happening than 'who pays'. The latter is politics at best and  
accounting at worst. The former actually determines if security work  
is done.



On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Hernan Espinoza  
<hespinoza at interior.gov.cl> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> According to your experience:
>
> Who pays for the protection of critical infrastructure: the state or  
> the
> industry?
>
> There is a government incentive to support this task?
>
> Atte
> Hernan Espinoza Medina
> CHILE
> _______________________________________________
> CII mailing list
> CII at isotf.org
> http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/cii

From nancyp at yorku.ca  Wed Jan 20 17:14:15 2010
From: nancyp at yorku.ca (nancyp at yorku.ca)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:14:15 -0500
Subject: [CII] IXmaps.ca
Message-ID: <1264007655.4b5739e7d9afa@mymail.yorku.ca>


Hello,

I'm posting abt my recently completed thesis research - 'Bandwidth is Political:
Reachability in the Public Internet'. Unlike research concerned with bandwidth
and traffic growth, this research shifts the risk analysis away from capacity
issues, to focus on performance standards for interconnection and data
reachability. I argue that risks to data reachability represent the next stage
in debates about the health of the global public Internet.

The paper is avail online at my website: www.vacuumwoman.com

A related custom software platform that provides dynamic, interactive
visualizations of the Internet cloud is being developed by myself and a team
from the University of Toronto. This platform, called IXmaps, will allow
Internet users to create visualizations (in Google Earth) of the route their
data packets take across North America, along with highly detailed information
about associated elements such as carrier interconnect ?hotels? and NSA
eavesdropping points.

This project is located at: www.ixmaps.ca

Please download the custom traceroute program and help us populate our database:
 http://www.ixmaps.ca/TrGen/index.html

Thanks & comments are welcome!
Dr Nancy Paterson
Ontario College of Art & Design

From hespinoza at interior.gov.cl  Fri Jan 29 17:30:41 2010
From: hespinoza at interior.gov.cl (Hernan Espinoza)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:30:41 -0300
Subject: [CII] Critical Infrastructure in the Age of Cyber War
Message-ID: <4B631B41.8030007@interior.gov.cl>

Hi:

A report generated by McAfee, on critical infrastructure.

The report, ?In the Crossfire: Critical Infrastructure in the Age of
Cyberwar? (PDF), was commissioned by McAfee and includes information
from a survey of 600 IT security executives from critical infrastructure
companies across the world.

Document:
http://newsroom.mcafee.com/images/10039/In%20the%20Crossfire_CIP%20report.pdf

Source Link:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Critical-Infrastructure-Security-a-Mixed-Bag-Report-Finds-362438/?kc=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RSS%2Feweeksecurity+%28eWEEK+Security%29


atte
hernan